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视频翻译:香港建筑设计师徐佑荣先生现场访谈

经朋友介绍,香港著名建筑设计师徐佑荣先生委托我们翻译其大量文件,包括其接受筑龙网记者访谈视频的翻译。该视频中美女记者提问问题、徐先生回答的英文原文与我们的中文译文如下:
 
1. 您对于中国原创或原创有什么样的思考?
00:01:13
China, at the moments, has many many very good talents coming up everyday. At the moments, I think China is still in the process of discovering. … You know in architecture, and I see that a lot of Chinese architects are still looking towards western inspiration, or even perhaps Japanese inspiration,because they are historically more developed in architectural science. But China is also coming up very fast, so I would like to say that originality is happening here, but it just needs more encouragement.
目前,中国每天都能许许多多优秀人才,但现在中国仍在发掘人才。你知道,在建筑业,我发现很多中国建筑师仍在追随西方的灵感,甚至日本的灵感,因为这些国家一贯处于建筑领先水平。不过中国进步的很快,所以我想说这里有原创,但还需要更多的鼓励。
 
2. 您认为什么样的东西才叫做原创呢?
00:01:50
Actually there’s no such thing as originality, everything has been created already. But as architectural, actually, designers, we should try to inspire from everyday situation or objects rather than designed work already. But my point is actually to say, as designers, we should actually look at everyday life I would like, what we do everyday, and how we see life itself should be to get inspiration, rather than just looking at buildings or designs that have been done by somebody else. I think that’s how we can be more original when you design something.
其实没有什么原创,因为一切都已经创造出来了。但作为建筑设计师,我们应当从生活场景或事物来获取灵感,而不是参照已经存在的设计。但我的观点是,作为设计师我们应该关注日常生活、我们每天做什么、从生活中获取灵感,而不是看别人已经做出来的建筑或设计。我想这样设计才更具原创性。
 
3. 您创意的灵感来源于哪?
00:02:40
OK, a lot of my inspirations come from a lot of my interests. I like watching Japanese robot cartoons; I like nature a lot; I do a lot of sports myself; I like to, look, climb mountains; you know, I like to meet a lot of people; I like to travel around the world.
And all these things are more or less part of my life. So, my life is the inspiration for my work, I think it’s simply like that.
OK,我的很多灵感来源于兴趣。我喜欢看日本机器人卡通;我很喜欢大自然;我也做很多运动;我喜欢登山;我也喜欢结交朋友;我还喜欢周游世界。这些都是我生活的一部分,所以,我的生活就是我工作的灵感来源,我想就是这样。
 
4 什么样的设计才可以称得上是好的设计呢?
00:03:17
I think I can answer this really quickly. To me, a really creative design is wanna go, you know, when I’m surprised. Because when you are surprised, you question. And you question, you learn from this surprise. And that is really the design.
我想我可以很快回答这个问题,对我来说,一件不错的设计,就是能够让我感到惊讶。因为你在惊讶的时候,会提问。你提问就能从中获益。这就是真正的设计。
 
5 如果您设计手段新颖的话,是不是会让整个作品呈现不一样的地方?
00:03:50
I think, in a way, I mean,in the reality of designing a work, we are limited by a lot of, like, rules, ok, money, clients’ needs. And all these are rules that make us have to design for a reason. In a way, I think whatever the design job you’ve had, you can always think about something creative to give your clients. I mean the challenge is to find creativity even when there’s lot of different kinds of controlling factors for the job.
我想,在实际设计工作中,我们受到很多限制,像规则、预算、客户需求等。所有这些规则都迫使我们为了某个理由而设计。这样,不管你的设计工作是什么样的,你总想交给客户一些很有创意的作品。我觉得挑战就是即便工作有很多制约,你还是得具有创意。
 
6. 香港的设计环境和北京的设计环境有什么不一样的地方呢?
00:04:42
Ok, at the moment Beijing is extremely well as a design capital. I mean, I see a lot of really creative buildings going on, and many many famous designing firms are opening for offices heads. I think Beijing has a big advantage of, one, because, it’s very big, you know there are a lot of land for buildings. And secondly the actual building regulation in Beijing is more relaxed than Hong Kong. So you can be more creative than Hong Kong, Hong Kong is much smaller.
目前北京是个非常好的设计之都,我看到了很多颇具创意的建筑,许许多多著名设计公司在这里有分公司。我觉得北京的优势在于,第一,它很大,有很多建筑用地。其次北京的实际建筑规范要比香港宽松的多。因此你可以比香港更具创意,香港要小得多。
 
7.很多你具有独特创意的设计可能更容易在北京实现。
00:05:13
Yeah, I agree with that, yeah, I do, yeah!
对,我同意,没错。
 
8.北京作为设计之都需要加强和改善的地方
00:05:41
I think at the moment what Beijing needs is to promote much more its local talents from universities or from the local profession. Uh, we have to start much earlier to train designers to think more intelligently about the design. And also I think one of the things is that it’s such still a bit of promise. I see a lot of local designers, still worry too much about, be a little crazy with their designs.
我想目前北京需要做的是从大学或当地同行中提携本地人才,我们应该更早就开始培养设计师们更灵活的思考设计。我想还有一种情况是。。。。,我发现很多本地设计师们,仍很担心自己的设计是不是太疯狂了。
 
9.设计的驱动力在哪
00:06:42
The answer of this question… there’s no right answer. You can design based on market value, because we as the designer needs money. We need to design based on how the market will like, probably promote us. But I think as designers, we should, no, I mean, in a way, also introduce new ideas to clients, because, I think, probably like, you know, clients, because design is an introduction to how people accept it. Sometimes our job is also to introduce new ideas to clients themselves, I think. But it is much easier to realize it that we should consider what the markets trend is, but also at the same time, try to be innovating a new market trend. I think that’s what a more successful creative designer will be in the future.
对于这个问题的答案,没有一个标准答案。你可以根据市场价值来设计,因为作为设计师我们也需要钱。我们需要根据市场的喜好来设计,才可能推销出去。但是我觉得作为设计师,我们应该把新颖的观念介绍给客户,因为设计就是看人们的接受程度。有时候我们的工作就是向客户介绍新想法,但是考虑市场趋势要容易的多,同时,试着引导市场新趋势。我想这就是将来更成功更有创意的设计师的趋势。
 
10. 对生活方式和设计之间关系的理解
00:07:55
Well, I mean, we wake up every morning, go to work, come back home, cook, eat, watch TV. Our life is very boring, I’m sorry to say. But as designers we should actually make that lifestyle a little bit more interesting. What I mean is that we can design, say, a clock that looks like a sculpture, when you leave the house in the morning, when you come back, it becomes another sculpture. So you can back a little bit that bored. And in many ways I think, that’s our jobs as designers. And also as architects, we also should create buildings that make people look at a city in a different way. That’s, what, I think, a good architect should do.
我们每天早上醒来,去上班,回家,煮饭,吃饭,看电视,我们的生活太枯燥。恐怕我得这么说,但作为设计师我们应该让生活方式更加有趣。我的意思是,我们可以设计,例如一个像雕刻的钟,早上离开家的时候跟回家的时候,它的形态不同,这样会觉得不是那么无聊,我想在很多方面,这都是设计师的工作。作为建筑师,我们也应该设计出人们觉得城市总有新鲜感的建筑,这才是一个好的建筑师应该做的。
 
11. 您怎样权衡设计、艺术、市场这三者的关系?
00:09:10
If we talk about the art, design and market triangle, it is just quite common. We have to make marketing the least important, because in order to be truly creative, our answer is, if you truly want to create something original, marketing has to be less considered. Because when you introduce a new concept, you can’t (make a) completely new concept, you can’t look at the market value that much because it’s already been done in that words. So if you want to be an artist and creative, first ignore marketing, think about what you want to do.
谈到艺术、设计和市场之间的关系,这很寻常。我们应该让营销成为最不重要的事情,因为要想真正有创意,我们的回答是,如果你真的想做出原创,就应该少考虑营销。因为你引入新观念的时候,它不会完全是新的,你不可能考虑很多市场价值,因为已经这么做的。如果你想成为有创意的艺术家,首先要忽略营销,想想自己想做什么。
 
12. 您K LTD公司在众多建筑设计公司中靠什么确立自己的位置,你们公司的特色是什么?
00:10:06
My company, uh, we have pretty much too rules. Ok, one rule is that we only approach clients who like modern architecture. This is absolutely no change for us because, I think, to be specializing in modern architecture, it makes much better at doing a specific job. If you do too many different things, you distract in a way.
我公司,我们有很多规定。其中一条是我们只接触喜欢现代建筑的客户,这一点我们显然不会改变,因为我想专注于现代建筑,就能做的更好。如果做太多不同的事情,就会分心。
 
Let’s give an example. For example, if you are going to buy a Ferrari, you’ll gonna buy a race car. There’s nothing else they make but race car. And they are really good at it because they only make one kind of car. That’s the reason why I want to tell you.
我来举个例子,例如,如果你想买辆法拉利,就只可能买跑车,他们不做别的,只做跑车。他们做的真的很好,因为他们只做这一种车。这就是我想说的原因。
 
And another thing I always tell my workers and actually even my students is that: I try to tell them not to look at too many magazines when they come up with the design solution. Because the more you look at design magazines or what is really good right now, the less you’ll try to use your brain to think of something original unless it becomes a problem.
我经常告诉我员工,甚至我学生的另一件事就是:在寻找设计灵感的时候,不要看太多杂志,因为你看的设计杂志越多,或了解现在什么是好的,你就越不会动脑筋试着原创,这就是一个问题。
 
Sometimes I’ll tell my students or my boys to go out to the mountain, go to the beach, you know, and they come back and list ten objects they see, they really like. And I want them from those ten objects, design something for me.
有时候我会让学生或员工去爬山、去看海,他们回来的时候就列出所看到的十件事物,他们也喜欢这样,我会让他们从这十件事物中得到启发,给我设计。
 
13. 您对于您公司在未来几年的定位是怎样的?
00:11:37
I, I’ve been, my furniture have already on sale in Beijing. I have, I have not yet done any architectural work yet. But my interior design work as I already got new clients. And I think in Beijing there are many clients who really like creative design work, to the point, even more than Hong Kong. But uh, I think, it’s just, that’s still a huge market, actually I don’t know Beijing that well. Because even though I’ve been in Beijing for 2 years, I always go back to HK. So I think my company is still trying to explore a very creative market here, which is going to be, I think, a great thing for China in the future.
我的家具已经在北京出售了,我还没开始建筑设计工作,但我内部的设计工作已经接到了新客户。我想北京有很多真正喜欢创意性设计的客户,甚至比香港还多。但我想市场潜力仍很巨大,不过我还不太了解北京,因为即使我在北京已经呆了两年,还是经常回香港。我的公司仍在努力开拓更具创意的市场,我想这对中国的未来也是很大的一件事。
 
14. 国内外设计的差异在哪?中国的设计如果想走出自己的特色,需要借鉴西方的哪些东西?
00:12:42
European or…Perhaps get a lot of …we bring Japanese…because it’s pretty famous of that. Uh, Education system has a very simple philosophy. Try to invent a concept! Don’t follow anybody else, and that shows in their work. In Asia, even Hong Kong and China, it’s still inspired by other architects, but they don’t (never) tell designers to think of something new. So I think this is something china will do anyway in the future, but now I think we just need more people to promote this.
欧洲,也许还有许多其他国家,比如日本,在这些方面很出名。教育体系的哲理很简单,努力发明一种理念!不要模仿任何人,他们的作品都体现了这一点。在亚洲,包括香港、大陆,大家的灵感仍来自其他建筑师,而不是让设计师们想出一些新颖的创意,我想这是中国将来应该努力的方向,但现在我们需要更多人来提倡这一点。
 
15. 您自己最满意的作品是什么?
00:13:23
I should, I mean, I like all my stuffs. I’m joking.
我应该说,我喜欢我所有的作品。开个玩笑。
 
I’m afraid I’m proud of my vertical and horizontal farm tower which I’ll show you eventually, and also my … farm project because my … farm project is my first Chinese big contract. And my clients at that moment are still working at it with me. And it was designed, that I think, we would wonder first one in the world to introduce farmers and residents to live together, because in the most countries in the world, including China, you know, rich residents and farmers should never mix. But I should want them to learn from each other in order to help each other out.
恐怕我要说我为我的立体农场感到骄傲,待会儿会给你看,还有我的农场项目,因为我的农场项目是接到的第一个国内大单,那时我的客户仍在跟我合作这个项目,在这个设计中,我们是世界上第一个鼓励农民和居民混居的,因为在世界很多国家,包括中国,有钱人跟农民是泾渭分明的,但我觉得他们应该互相学习互相帮助。
 
The other project I’m really proud of is one of my latest projects about vertical and horizontal farm tower. Also about farmer, because in a way I think why I bring two projects about farming into that place. Farming is actually disappearing in the rest of the world and in China. Because everybody wants to move into city to work in a job that pays more and less hard work. But there’s a new movement in the architecture right now is to bring in environmental architecture and also farming back because we need to eat. And if farmers keep on the working, there’s nothing to eat, you know. So my tower was based on the concept of actually farming inside the city. Again, there is something that I explored with many professors, to, for a concept, that has to work in the next twenty years.
我感到自豪的另一个项目就是最近一个关于立体农场的项目,也是关于农民,因为我想我把两个关于农业的项目一起做的原因就是,农业其实正在从世界和中国消失,大家都想搬进城里,赚的更多,工作也没那么辛苦,但现在建筑业的一个新趋势就是回归环境建筑和农业,因为我们需要吃饭。如果农民们都去打工,那就没粮食了,所以我立体农场的理念其实是城市内的农业,而且我和我的教授还在开发一种理念,起码在以后的20年都有用。
 
16.
为什么你会如此关注农业呢?
00:15:26
Because I actually like nature a lot, and, well, I mean, I’m like a human being, I like to eat, I like vegetables. And I think farmers work really hard to make us have what we have, the most basic of all elements. But if they don’t do it, who’s going to do it? That’s a big issue, you know.
因为我真的很喜欢大自然,因为我是个人类,我喜欢吃,我喜欢吃蔬菜,我觉得农民们的工作真的很辛苦,供给了我们最根本的生活要素,但如果他们不干了,谁来干呢?这是个大问题。
 
17
怎样将农业和时尚联系在一起?
00:16:00
Two reasons why farming is really dying is because one, people think farming don’t pay them enough money, and second, it’s really hard work. So if you want your next generation to be farmers again, you gonna make them a little easier for them. That’s why in my vertical and horizontal tower, I propose a farming that is pretty easy because it’s done by robots, and also it’s a very high technology structure. So young kids, can, I should think, is, you know, really kind of interesting to work in this. So if we wish to put people back to farming, it’s not hard, it’s not poor, it’s actually even better than a city job, it’s kind of exercise at the same time.
农业正在消失有两个原因,第一个是,人们认为农业的收益不高,其次是工作真的很辛苦。如果你想让你的下一代仍然当农民,就应该为他们提供便利。这就是为什么我在立体农场里把农业设计的很轻松,活儿都是机器人在干,而且也高科技结构。所以年轻人,应该对这种工作方式很感兴趣。如果我们希望人们回归农业,并不难,也不辛苦,比城里的工作还好,同时也是一项运动。
 
18 您对于环保的思考
00:17;16
Actually, at the moments, my company is exploring really really advanced technology. Like sustainable architecture, I know, what I mean, like solar panels, it’s actually very wasteful, because you need a huge farm to make solar found back works. And wind power is actually very big, it’s a hundred-meter tower but work with only one wind bar. That’s very old technology, and that’s what a new generational technology has to think about right now.
其实,目前我公司正在开发非常高科技的东西,例如可持续建筑,例如太阳电池板,其实太阳能一般都很浪费,因为人们需要一个大型的农场来收集太阳能,风能占地也很大,上百米的风塔仅有一条棒,这些技术都过时了,新一代技术应该解决这些问题。
 
For example, the new idea in a sustainable technology is that, for example, in my vertical and horizontal farming again, we did solar balloons, which are balloons that are with solar-like cells inside them.
例如,可持续技术的新观念就是,例如我的立体农场,我们设计了太阳能气球,气球里装有太阳能电池。
 
Or like, we are using a new way of solar panels that are ten times lighter than the current ones, but also much easier to absorb penal energy.
或者我们新的太阳能电池板比目前使用的轻十倍,而且更容易收集能量。
 
So, anyway, all these new technologies, actually all our projects at the moments always have something that is sustainable because it’s actually important that we have to make our environment better, because our buildings are getting better, the manufacturing has to get better too.
所以,所有这些新技术,我所有的项目都是可持续发展的,因为使环境变得更好、我们的建筑变得更好、制造业变得更好非常重要。
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